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August 1, 2009

Patriotism

I have to say I am confused as to what a patriot is these days, hell have been ever since the Vietnam war. I severed in the Navy from 1966 to 1969, got spit on and yelled at by anti-war protester and yet a lot of us were writing things like ban the bomb on the 2,000 pound bombs we were sending to the aircraft carriers, I was on an ammunition ship for my first two years in the Navy. The confusion comes from trying to decide if it was unpatriotic to protest the war or if it was unpatriotic to put down the protesters, after all to protest is an American freedom that goes all the way back to our revolutionary beginnings. Would one say that our founding fathers were unpatriotic, not on your life it might be said, but then they certainly were. for they were not Americans then were they? Benedict Arnold is considered to be one of the worst traitors in this country, but he is and was a patriot to the British. He fought for his country. He just happened to be on the losing side.

So is it if you win or lose that makes you a patriot? I remember the saying “My country right or wrong, my country”, I always hated that saying. Yet the ones saying it thought they were being patriotic and all I could think of was the Germans during WWII who followed what their country was doing to the Jews at the time. That was “My country right or wrong, my country” to its limit. And the people of this country thought it was so wrong for them do have done that and it was those same people who were saying and thinking with the same mentally as those Germans.

The Patriot Act of this country, is it really patriotic? Again it reminds me of Germany before and during WWII, everyone spying on each other and most likely telling lies just to get someone you don’t like in trouble. Land of the Free, well maybe it was once, but its not to free these days. Even as I write this and then post it, some spy guy for the government will note what I have said here and that will make a mark in my FBI file. I am sure we all have one. So am I a patriot for wanting my country to free of the spying or a traitor for not wanting to stop terrorism by the ending of the spying? Just depends on which side of the fence one stands on I guess. I would be willing to bet our founding fathers would not be happy with way this country has been run up to this point. I believe they would start another revolution if they were here now. And the question is, would that be the patriotic thing to do?

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7 Comments »

  1. Hello!

    I agree with you, and the movie (inspired from the great novel written by Bernhard Schlink) The Reader deals with the same dilemna that mades your post.
    How is it complicated to divided human beings according to two main criterias: what is good and bad; what is fair and unfair. I think that is too easy
    to blame a soldier from any nations who killed or a civilian who spied or something else, because people like me have never lived what they lived; I do not know how looks a war or what is really an invaded nation. I just know everyone is always searching for a way to survive; it’s a human behaviour.

    Well-done post!

    Comment by emelineh — August 3, 2009 @ 12:16 pm

    • Not really sure just what you are saying, but glad you like the post.

      Comment by dansideas — August 4, 2009 @ 6:25 pm

  2. Great post, and great questions. I consider myself a patriotic wanna-be hippy,because I love my country, at least I love it at its roots, and I would love a peace/love heavy world. But again, since we are human, and loaded with ego and blinders, we will never see Utopia…then again, would we have Patriotism in an Utopia? Good lord, sounds like a blog post subject.

    Keep on writing my friend….

    Comment by Wulfgar — August 4, 2009 @ 6:36 pm

    • Glad you liked it, hope you like them all.

      Comment by dansideas — August 5, 2009 @ 6:26 pm

  3. I may sound quite infantile to suggest such a theory/theories per your post.

    First, I see a major decline in patriotism in the US, and also a decline in one’s own individuality. With that said, let’s bring on the revolution, but of course, not with out evaluating what state/authoritarian rule this hypothetical revolution would take the form of, and in what matter they will choose to repress and control I.e.Facebook?

    I was born in the 80s but I’m for peace and the non-existence of conflict like a relationship.

    Great post!

    Comment by Mea Madison — December 17, 2009 @ 3:42 pm

    • It would be nice if people knew what patriotism was really all about. And that unless you are an American Indian you are an intruder in this country, no matter how long ago your family came to live here. The ideas of freedom are long gone from this country. The idea now is to have the goverment at the top of the food chain and to screw the people when ever and where ever it can. It doesn’t matter which party says it is running the country, who ever has the money are the ones running this conutry.

      Comment by dansideas — December 17, 2009 @ 7:43 pm

  4. Not sure I agree entirely with your post, but as having Natve American Blood in my line, and that I’m proud of, I don’t feel as much as an intruder and unpatriotic according to your view. Anyway, I agree, how could I not, that the man with money shall reighn, control, and supress the USA. Probability factor that sadly is our and futures truth.

    Comment by Mea Madison — December 17, 2009 @ 10:01 pm


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